Summary: You can't have a rose with out a thorn. Let me start by saying, I'm a novice when it comes to car audio. Not to make it sound like I dont know what I'm talking about...I've been a novice in car audio for 15 years. I've seen and done a lot. So I was really surprised, at how surprised I was when I dropped this in my car. Sound Q was just amazing and they even went deep enough to make the average Joe not require a sub.